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by Aikoland » Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:37 am

by Qhevak » Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:33 am
Feyrisshire wrote:Another cliche I've noticed among MT nations, especially among the neoliberal nations of Grail, SETA, LITA and others is the stubborn compliance to First World NATO and US military models without effort or explanation as to why their nations suddenly had amassed an industrial base or economy that allows them to, or why do their nations even need it in the first place.
It's always "ooh I have Gerald Ford supercarrier!" "ooh I have F-35 Lightning stealth aircraft! "ooh I have nuclear SSBN!" "ooh I have stealth destroyer!" "ooh I have powerful exoskeleton suit!" without deconstruction as to how their nation has suddenly amassed weapons that only Russia, China and US has IRL even if "they are trying to play as a realistic MT nation". Bonus points if they're playing as a First World liberal democracy that's not really going to be threatened by anyone and suddenly feels the need to amass a powerful military and nuclear program.
I consider these as low-key MT versions of having "interstellar space ships that spew lasers" considering that I've seen very few MT nations that diverge from these cliche models such as one based on asymmetric warfare, guerilla warfare and other unconventional forms of modern warfare. Realistically, if your nation focuses too much on the military and if you're not US, China or Russia, you'd inadvertently sacrifice other areas or you lack resources so you are forced to play asymmetrically - an interesting angle I simply don't see among NS nations. There are very few nations here that go the narrowly traveled path when in fact MT military need not be uncreative - such as Viet Cong's guerilla tactics, Albania's bunkers, Iran's Mad Max navy tactics, midget submarines, human torpedoes, Somalian pirates, Afghan Mujahideens and DPRK's general shenanigans -that MT military building in NS as it for now seems to be overall monotonous and dull.
Dayganistan wrote:As a fully MT nation I would honestly say MT and PMT are the worst tech levels for wank on NS right now. But II is completely overrun with horrendous one liner war RPs as a whole anyway, the fact that it's all MT and PMT nations who read Tom Clancy for the first time a week ago or play too many arcade shooters doing it is merely a coincidence.

by Dayganistan » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:13 am
Feyrisshire wrote:Another cliche I've noticed among MT nations, especially among the neoliberal nations of Grail, SETA, LITA and others is the stubborn compliance to First World NATO and US military models without effort or explanation as to why their nations suddenly had amassed an industrial base or economy that allows them to, or why do their nations even need it in the first place.
It's always "ooh I have Gerald Ford supercarrier!" "ooh I have F-35 Lightning stealth aircraft! "ooh I have nuclear SSBN!" "ooh I have stealth destroyer!" "ooh I have powerful exoskeleton suit!" without deconstruction as to how their nation has suddenly amassed weapons that only Russia, China and US has IRL even if "they are trying to play as a realistic MT nation". Bonus points if they're playing as a First World liberal democracy that's not really going to be threatened by anyone and suddenly feels the need to amass a powerful military and nuclear program.
I consider these as low-key MT versions of having "interstellar space ships that spew lasers" considering that I've seen very few MT nations that diverge from these cliche models such as one based on asymmetric warfare, guerilla warfare and other unconventional forms of modern warfare. Realistically, if your nation focuses too much on the military and if you're not US, China or Russia, you'd inadvertently sacrifice other areas or you lack resources so you are forced to play asymmetrically - an interesting angle I simply don't see among NS nations. There are very few nations here that go the narrowly traveled path when in fact MT military need not be uncreative - such as Viet Cong's guerilla tactics, Albania's bunkers, Iran's Mad Max navy tactics, midget submarines, human torpedoes, Somalian pirates, Afghan Mujahideens and DPRK's general shenanigans -that MT military building in NS as it for now seems to be overall monotonous and dull.

by Valentine Z » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:17 am
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by Kiu Ghesik » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:17 am
Valentine Z wrote:It sounds easier said than done and I do feel bad that it sounds like I am a fun police, but man, you gotta have those if you don't want a hole in your leader's house over a dinner party.

by Valentine Z » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:18 am

♪ If you are reading my sig, I want you to have the best day ever ! You are worth it, do not let anyone get you down ! ♪
Glory to De Geweldige Sierlijke Katachtige Utopia en Zijne Autonome Machten ov Valentine Z !
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Valentijn now a She!
• Never trouble trouble until trouble troubles you.
• As a wise man once said: 我等は砲兵 皇国の護り (We are Artillery Guardians of the Empire).
• World Map is a cat playing with Australia.

by Zeloria » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:41 am
Valentine Z wrote:Ohh, Valentine Z Dinner, first iteration. No rules on weapons and magics, you can see where it went!
viewtopic.php?p=32793676#p32793676
500 years ago, the universe saw an apocalypse that destroyed most spacefaring lifeforms caused by self-replicating machines, the universe went into a dark age until species that weren't advanced enough for the machine-swarm to detect started travelling into space. It is now the 23rd century, the universe is currently at 'peace'. Will this 'peace' last, or will this new universe end up like the last one?

by Valentine Z » Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:42 am
Zeloria wrote:Valentine Z wrote:Ohh, Valentine Z Dinner, first iteration. No rules on weapons and magics, you can see where it went!
viewtopic.php?p=32793676#p32793676
I made a RP that didn't really had rules, and didn't really went bad. Granted, not many people where there.

♪ If you are reading my sig, I want you to have the best day ever ! You are worth it, do not let anyone get you down ! ♪
Glory to De Geweldige Sierlijke Katachtige Utopia en Zijne Autonome Machten ov Valentine Z !
(✿◠‿◠) ☆ \(^_^)/ ☆ =^._.^= ∫
♡ Issues Thread ♡ 4th in Gen Sec ♡ Photography Stuff ♡ Project: Save F7. ♡ Stats Analysis ♡
♡ The Sixty! ♡ Opinions Deposit! ♡ Valentian Stories! ♡ Gwen's Adventures! ♡ Cat Anthem! ♡ Valentian News.♡
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Clarissa mistaken for Smurf/Avatar: 14
Valentijn Misgendered: 59
Valentijn now a She!
• Never trouble trouble until trouble troubles you.
• As a wise man once said: 我等は砲兵 皇国の護り (We are Artillery Guardians of the Empire).
• World Map is a cat playing with Australia.

by Zeloria » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:50 am
Valentine Z wrote:And yes, Honor System will screw you over, so... house IC/OOC rules will be good.
500 years ago, the universe saw an apocalypse that destroyed most spacefaring lifeforms caused by self-replicating machines, the universe went into a dark age until species that weren't advanced enough for the machine-swarm to detect started travelling into space. It is now the 23rd century, the universe is currently at 'peace'. Will this 'peace' last, or will this new universe end up like the last one?

by Western Fardelshufflestein » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:12 pm
The Western Fardelshufflestein Sentinel | 12 March 2022 | King Celebrates 47th Birthday | I blocked all TGs because I pretty much just get WA TGs, and they're annoying. | Putin Announces Fear of Liechtenstein

by Hathian Prime » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:27 pm

by Hamatu » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:38 pm
Hathian Prime wrote:Something I have personally seen many times over the years is someone nearly kill(or, on rare occasions, successfully kill)an active thread by typing out a 5-6 paragraph response. Generally done in “YN/YL opinion on AN’s/AL’s thing”. Nobody tends to respond to those because any response you do type may seem underwhelming compared to AN’s response. I’m not complaining about a paragraph or two written about a nation. Those are fine and should be the average response. But when someone types out a whole essay on a thread, I feel as if most users do not want to respond to it or even read it. It’s kind of overkill

by Connomia » Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:22 pm

by Qhevak » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:03 pm
Connomia wrote:I don't go on the other forums so I only have experience with the Region I'm RPing in. What I do see is nations that seem to think that they can't RP if they don't cause tension every once in a while. Like they can't continue making RPs unless they start a conflict or a dispute every once in a while.

by Zeloria » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:09 pm
Qhevak wrote:Virgin International Incidents war RP enthusiast vs Chad NationStates party RP appreciator
500 years ago, the universe saw an apocalypse that destroyed most spacefaring lifeforms caused by self-replicating machines, the universe went into a dark age until species that weren't advanced enough for the machine-swarm to detect started travelling into space. It is now the 23rd century, the universe is currently at 'peace'. Will this 'peace' last, or will this new universe end up like the last one?

by Western Fardelshufflestein » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:13 pm
The Western Fardelshufflestein Sentinel | 12 March 2022 | King Celebrates 47th Birthday | I blocked all TGs because I pretty much just get WA TGs, and they're annoying. | Putin Announces Fear of Liechtenstein

by Qhevak » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:18 pm

by Aikoland » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:27 pm
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:NSG Cliche #11129235848: Threads that literally question the existence of America. Nobody argues over whether Alfred should have consolidated the English kingdoms, or whether Qin Shihuangdi should have established his own dynasty. What I'm saying is that singling out the US has gotten old...no offense to anyone here.

by Western Fardelshufflestein » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:28 pm
Aikoland wrote:Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:NSG Cliche #11129235848: Threads that literally question the existence of America. Nobody argues over whether Alfred should have consolidated the English kingdoms, or whether Qin Shihuangdi should have established his own dynasty. What I'm saying is that singling out the US has gotten old...no offense to anyone here.
We need to go father than that:
NSG, was it a good idea for that first fish to take steps onto land several billion years ago?
The Western Fardelshufflestein Sentinel | 12 March 2022 | King Celebrates 47th Birthday | I blocked all TGs because I pretty much just get WA TGs, and they're annoying. | Putin Announces Fear of Liechtenstein

by Zeloria » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:29 pm
Aikoland wrote:We need to go father than that:
NSG, was it a good idea for that first fish to take steps onto land several billion years ago?
500 years ago, the universe saw an apocalypse that destroyed most spacefaring lifeforms caused by self-replicating machines, the universe went into a dark age until species that weren't advanced enough for the machine-swarm to detect started travelling into space. It is now the 23rd century, the universe is currently at 'peace'. Will this 'peace' last, or will this new universe end up like the last one?

by Western Fardelshufflestein » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:34 pm
The Western Fardelshufflestein Sentinel | 12 March 2022 | King Celebrates 47th Birthday | I blocked all TGs because I pretty much just get WA TGs, and they're annoying. | Putin Announces Fear of Liechtenstein

by Aikoland » Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:39 pm


by Sanghyeok » Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:48 pm
Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:NSG Cliche #11129235848: Threads that literally question the existence of America. Nobody argues over whether Alfred should have consolidated the English kingdoms, or whether Qin Shihuangdi should have established his own dynasty. What I'm saying is that singling out the US has gotten old...no offense to anyone here.
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister

by Valentine Z » Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:49 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:Western Fardelshufflestein wrote:NSG Cliche #11129235848: Threads that literally question the existence of America. Nobody argues over whether Alfred should have consolidated the English kingdoms, or whether Qin Shihuangdi should have established his own dynasty. What I'm saying is that singling out the US has gotten old...no offense to anyone here.
I mean, US abolishment is hardly the only silly idea on NSG- people have suggested Balkanisation of China, the US, Israel, and Russia, the abolishment of Saudi Arabia, ruling by cats, andeven Brexit.US posters tend to be more prevalent, so there are more posts about the many societal problems and failings in the US.
♪ If you are reading my sig, I want you to have the best day ever ! You are worth it, do not let anyone get you down ! ♪
Glory to De Geweldige Sierlijke Katachtige Utopia en Zijne Autonome Machten ov Valentine Z !
(✿◠‿◠) ☆ \(^_^)/ ☆ =^._.^= ∫
♡ Issues Thread ♡ 4th in Gen Sec ♡ Photography Stuff ♡ Project: Save F7. ♡ Stats Analysis ♡
♡ The Sixty! ♡ Opinions Deposit! ♡ Valentian Stories! ♡ Gwen's Adventures! ♡ Cat Anthem! ♡ Valentian News.♡
♡ ♡ ♡ Q & A Here! | Heights of NS! | F7 Etiquette ♡ ♡ ♡
Clarissa mistaken for Smurf/Avatar: 14
Valentijn Misgendered: 59
Valentijn now a She!
• Never trouble trouble until trouble troubles you.
• As a wise man once said: 我等は砲兵 皇国の護り (We are Artillery Guardians of the Empire).
• World Map is a cat playing with Australia.

by Sanghyeok » Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:52 pm
Valentine Z wrote:Sanghyeok wrote:
I mean, US abolishment is hardly the only silly idea on NSG- people have suggested Balkanisation of China, the US, Israel, and Russia, the abolishment of Saudi Arabia, ruling by cats, andeven Brexit.US posters tend to be more prevalent, so there are more posts about the many societal problems and failings in the US.
I have heard and seen so many of this:
- Should the US be abolished?
- Should the US be split into many countries?
- Is USA bad?
I personally want Florida to be its own country. Nothing will go wrong, trust me.
(Sorry for this slight deviation from the usual cliches!)
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
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